Alexis playing centrally

So, Messi doesn't count as a traditional #10 only because he can score? He drifts wherever he likes - deep, wide.

I knew you were going to say Messi, which is why I said traditional #10 CAM. Messi is not a traditional #10 CAM by any measure. He is a forward. The #10 on his back is a South American #10, i.e forward.

Cazorla

Hasn't played more than a handful of games for Arsenal as a CAM.

David Silva

Hasn't played as a CAM for Man City.

Payet last season

Played on the wing.

De Bruyne

Played mostly on the wing last season.

Coutinho

Lol. Why did I knew you were one of those Coutinho > Ozil lunatics?

You can argue that Ozil is better than them, but you can't conclusively prove it, it's only your opinion.

If anything, I am the only one who can actually argue based on facts and not emotions. Statistically Ozil is light years above all the players you mentioned. The only one who can't prove something is you, because you are basing your opinion on nothing other than feelings.

Ozil has his strengths, but not as an offensive player.

Even if that was true, it is irrelevant. He is not meant to be a forward at Arsenal. He is a creator pulling strings in an advanced central midfield role, much like Zidane.

Much like Zidane, he scored an exquisite left foot volley which no-one else in our team could've done

good stuff

Much like Zidane, he scored an exquisite left foot volley which no-one else in our team could've donegood stuff

Yes, he scored a beauty. But still has ZERO assists in 10 games (PL+CL).

At this rate he'll have max 5 assists this season. Aleixis will have 20+.

Also, he takes almost all set pieces. Still has ZERO assists.

I knew you were going to say Messi, which is why I said traditional #10 CAM. Messi is not a traditional #10 CAM by any measure. He is a forward. The #10 on his back is a South American #10, i.e forward.

Messi, is a creative goalscorer. So any creative player who doesn't score goals is a traditional #10 and any creative goalscorer like Messi/Bergkamp is a forward? That's double standards.

(Cazorla) Hasn't played more than a handful of games for Arsenal as a CAM.

He played in that position up until Ozil came. The whole of his first season at AFC he played there and beyond that.

Hasn't played as a CAM for Man City.Played on the wing.

Payet and Silva are wingers? I disagree.

Lol. Why did I knew you were one of those Coutinho > Ozil lunatics?

One thing's for sure, it's more fun to watch Coutinho than Ozil.

Even if that was true, it is irrelevant. He is not meant to be a forward at Arsenal. He is a creator pulling strings in an advanced central midfield role, much like Zidane.

He isn't pulling any strings now. ZERO assists in 10 games (PL+CL). I've seen more defense-splitting passes from Iwobi this season than from Ozil.

He doesn't take almost all set pieces.

Coutinho is a pants footballer

I'm not saying Coutinho is super-dooper. But he often produces some moments of brillince that get you excited, like his long-range goals. Ozil is mostly boring to watch.

Depends on what you think is boring.

I find Coutinho shooting the ball from 30 yards every 5 minutes when there's an open man boring. The Brazilian Ross Barkley, Oxlade-Chamberlain and others of their ilk are terrible to watch as they are completely brain-dead. And there's nothing worse than a brain-dead footballer.

If you did watch Dennis play you would've 100% found him boring to watch as well, I've no doubts

Messi, is a creative goalscorer. So any creative player who doesn't score goals is a traditional #10 and any creative goalscorer like Messi/Bergkamp is a forward? That's double standards.

South American #10s are different than European #10s. It's forward vs midfielder, no double standard. You getting too hung up on the actual number on the back. Ozil and Messi do not have the same roles, positions, expectations, or responsibilities.

He played in that position up until Ozil came. The whole of his first season at AFC he played there and beyond that.

Eh, no.

Payet and Silva are wingers? I disagree.

I didn't say they were wingers, I said they are being played on the flanks, not in #10 positions.

One thing's for sure, it's more fun to watch Coutinho than Ozil.

You're watching it wrong then.

He isn't pulling any strings now. ZERO assists in 10 games (PL+CL). I've seen more defense-splitting passes from Iwobi this season than from Ozil.

I get why you're happy, but are you just going to ignore last season? Season before that? Are you also going to ignore the difference he actually makes being on the pitch, assists or not? Your whole agenda is just so weird. You hate Ozil for some reason, but his performances don't line up with what you want it to be, so you have to invent things to complain about.

Well here are some things you might find annoying:

1. Ozil has the highest number of key passes per 90 at Arsenal this season, which means the assists you're looking for is again out of his control...he's clearly making the key pass, but it's not being converted into a goal.

2. He has the third highest goal conversion at Arsenal this season, after Theo and Sanchez. So not only does he pull his weight serving key passes, he also scores.

...but I guess those things aren't important.

Again I'm amazed that some people fail to grasp the concept of assists being dependant on two players, not one: the player making the key pass, and the player who converts it into a goal. Mesut Ozil still serves plenty of key passes, but the receivers aren't converting them. How you can get this to be Ozil's fault is beyond me.

He's made more key passes per game in the league this year than Sanchez, Coutinho, Alli, Pogba, Hazard, Costa, Cazorla, Mahrez, Sigurdson, Aguero, Sterlign, Mata, Nolito, you name it.

Just love watching Ozil, Sanchez and Iwobi this season on the left. Some insane football.

I'm not saying Coutinho is super-dooper. But he often produces some moments of brillince that get you excited, like his long-range goals. Ozil is mostly boring to watch.

If you're excited watching Coutinho, then you seriously have some issue man... Ozil means class, who performs consistently well for both club and country...

David Silva has a World class striker Aguero with him, but still he hasn't created as many chances as Ozil, since he arrived..

Comparing Payet with Ozil??? that's ridiculous!!!!!!!

David Silva has a World class striker Aguero with him, but still he hasn't created as many chances as Ozil, since he arrived..

This point is often overlooked. Look at the players in David Silva's team...hell just look at the players in his proximity on the pitch...and then realise he still hasn't created anywhere close to what Ozil has done in the last few years with absolute shit around him.

Only explanation apart form Ozil's class is Arsene Wenger. The legend, the God, the best manager that has ever lived.

Only explanation apart form Ozil's class is Arsene Wenger. The legend, the God, the best manager that has ever lived.

This is the same guy who signed Yaya Sanogo, right? Just checking.

Yes. SAF released Pogba on a free.

Yes. SAF released Pogba on a free.

Difference is SAF could have signed 20 Sanogos and still won a title.

True, without the limitations and handicaps that Arsene has had.

True, without the limitations and handicaps that Arsene has had.

I think you'll find that SAF had a harder time at Man Utd than Wenger had at Arsenal.

You're thinking wrong. Not the first time but I still love you.