Sanchez is better n10 than Ozil (who is a fraud)

Actually I wrote that out of frustration. What I really want is Ozil to be sold for lots of money.

Why would someone pay lot of money if he is worthless as you say ?

Surely network of scouts can identify his weakness just like your eagle eye did. IF you demand lot of money for Ozil then you contradict your self, in your evaluation of his worth.

My advice still stand, back to your cave.

Why would someone pay lot of money if he is worthless as you say ? Surely network of scouts can identify his weakness just like your eagle eye did. IF you demand lot of money for Ozil then you contradict your self, in your evaluation of his worth.My advice still stand, back to your cave.

He's clearly not worthless, he did well at Real and I'm sure he'd do well at PSG or Bayern. But he's not suited to this Arsenal team, as we've seen over the last 2 seasons.

Calm down, internet people. Refrain from personal attacks. I don't care what you say about footballers in general, or footballers in specific...but please don't attack each other. Attack the opinion, not the person.

Carry on.

If by stats you mean Ozil's key passes, plus all that "off the ball movement" that's really clutching for straws

How so? I'll quote myself from your first thread on this subject:

His calmness and measured decision-making in the #10 position is exactly what Arsenal needs. Before Özil we had been playing very attack-minded and direct players who want to bomb forward. Özil adds a focal point and sets the tempo in a crucial position, which in turn calms the players around him and unlocks some of their restrictions.

I don't see how off-the-ball movement is clutching at straws, it's half of a footballer's game. It's the reading of the game, it's positioning, it's opening up space for others...are you saying this is just mumbo jumbo?

Edit: Don't feed the troll...

Just some of those lofted passes OP seems to be so fond of. https://youtu.be/3kWVRs_P5m8?t=6m33s

Watching this I'm wondering how he didn't have about 50 assists...

Watching this I'm wondering how he didn't have about 50 assists...

Problem with assists are that they depend on the person you're passing. Mesut Özil can make 100 world-class passes per game but if there is no one to connect properly with them and convert those chances into goals, Özil ends up with 0 assists. Key passes is a better indication, but again depends on the target as it's only a key pass if your pass is converted to a shot attempt.

That's why it's so hard for CMs and #10s to get good stats. They usually don't score much, and if they're attack-minded they don't tackle much either. All we can properly judge them on is how many chances are converted as a direct result of their actions.

Which makes Özil even more impressing, since he has good stats despite of the above factors.

• Speaks volumes of his ability

You guys are key pass worshipers. Ozil has crap goal/assist stats, poor defensive contribution (even compared with Sanchez, Walcott, Cazorla, Giroud) but you're all like, NO, let's not pay attention to that, KEY PASSES is all that matters. And the guy plays as n10, he's bound to have high key passes. Just out of curiosity, is there a way to find Cazorla's key passes in his first season at Arsenal when he was playing as n10? Would be interesting to compare. Remember a few seasons back when Ramsey was playing like crap and he still had high key passes. If key passes don't lead to anything, it's a meaningless stat. What's important is the end result.

Speaks volumes of his ability

Yeah, key passes again

Just some of those lofted passes OP seems to be so fond of. https://youtu.be/3kWVRs_P5m8?t=6m33sWatching this I'm wondering how he didn't have about 50 assists...

I'm fond of lofted assists, like Fabregas used to do. Or remember Alex Song's ball to RVP vs Everton home, when he scored that crazy volley - I came.

In that video it's just long balls, Coquelin and Arteta can do those.

Just out of curiosity, is there a way to find Cazorla's key passes in his first season at Arsenal when he was playing as n10? Would be interesting to compare.

Challenge accepted.

Mesut Özil 2013-2014: 2.9 key passes per game, second highest in the Premier League.
Mesut Özil 2014-2015: 3.1 key passes per game, highest in the Premier League.

Santi Cazorla 2012-2013: 2.6 key passes per game, sixth in the Premier League.
Santi Cazorla 2013-2014: 2.2 key passes per game, tenth in the Premier League.
Santi Cazorla 2014-2015: 2.1 key passes per game, fourteenth in the Premier League.

Anything else you want to be proven wrong on?

You guys are key pass worshipers.

You do realise that key passes = goals, right? And you also realise that goals = points, right?

Ozil has crap goal/assist stats

No he doesn't. Stop comparing him to modern #10s, i.e false nines. He's not supposed to be a goalscorer. He's supposed to be the link between midfield and attack.

If key passes don't lead to anything, it's a meaningless stat. What's important is the end result.

Exactly. The end result of a key pass is a shot attempt. The more shot attempts, the higher the chance of scoring a goal. The more goals we score, the higher the chance of getting points. The more points we get, the higher the chance of us winning the bloody league again.

You can't blame Özil for key passes leading to nothing, it's out of his control. It's up to the player who connected with the pass to convert the key pass into an assist, Özil has 0% to do with that.

Challenge accepted.Mesut Özil 2013-2014: 2.9 key passes per game, second highest in the Premier League. Mesut Özil 2014-2015: 3.1 key passes per game, highest in the Premier League. Santi Cazorla 2012-2013: 2.6 key passes per game, sixth in the Premier League. Santi Cazorla 2013-2014: 2.2 key passes per game, tenth in the Premier League. Santi Cazorla 2014-2015: 2.1 key passes per game, fourteenth in the Premier League.Anything else you want to be proven wrong on?

That doesn't really prove me wrong, I was just curious. Besides the first season Cazorla played something around 50 games and had a period of burn out when his stats dropped a lot. the other 2 seasons he was no longer n10. And I believe he had mmore goals and assists than Ozil.

btw where do you get these old stats? I was trying squawka and it's some weird stats

You do realise that key passes = goals, right? And you also realise that goals = points, right?

Goals=goals. Or at least assists = goals.

No he doesn't. Stop comparing him to modern #10s, i.e false nines. He's not supposed to be a goalscorer. He's supposed to be the link between midfield and attack.

With Giroud in from of him, who isn't the greatest striker, whose main strength is his hold up/link up play, and Ozil also isn't a goal scorer, so who's gonna score goals? Central midfielders and wingers? What's the point of them then? If Sanchez played behind Giroud as "false nine" he'd be freaking tearing it up.

Goals=goals. Or at least assists = goals.

Yes, and key passes = assists. You have to start somewhere. And again, it's out of Özil's control whether or not a key pass is converted to an assist.

With Giroud in from of him, who isn't the greatest striker

You're now arguing against yourself. You say Giroud isn't a great striker, so if you believe that, you now have an answer to Özil's presumed lack of assists (not that he actually lacks in that department). He can't force Giroud to score goals. He can only serve him with a pass, which he does plenty.

Besides the first season Cazorla played something around 50 games and had a period of burn out when his stats dropped a lot. the other 2 seasons he was no longer n10. And I believe he had mmore goals and assists than Ozil.

Similarly, if a player's season is interrupted by injury his stats usually drop. We can make excuses all day long:

Mesut Özil 2014-2015: 0.24 assists and 0.19 goals per 90 minutes
Santi Cazorla 2014-2015: 0.33 assists and 0.21 goals per 90 minutes

That difference translates into only 3.5 more goals over an entire season if both Cazorla and Özil played 38 games last season. Cazorla had a tiny bit better season in terms of goals and assists, but it's not that surprising seeing as he was playing on the wing for the most part.

Mesut Özil 2013-2014: 0.37 assists and 0.21 goals per 90 minutes
Santi Cazorla 2013-2014: 0.27 assists and 0.14 goals per 90 minutes

Ix: Please use lube at-least with anal virgins. You left him bleeding.

You're now arguing against yourself. You say Giroud isn't a great striker, so if you believe that, you now have an answer to Özil's presumed lack of assists (not that he actually lacks in that department). He can't force Giroud to score goals. He can only serve him with a pass, which he does plenty.

What I'm saying is if Sanchez was playing behind Giroud, he'd have a much better contribution than Ozil.

Mesut Özil 2014-2015: 0.24 assists and 0.19 goals per 90 minutes Santi Cazorla 2014-2015: 0.33 assists and 0.21 goals per 90 minutes That difference translates into only 3.5 more goals over an entire season if both Cazorla and Özil played 38 games last season. Cazorla had a tiny bit better season in terms of goals and assists, but it's not that surprising seeing as he was playing on the wing for the most part.

Just look at those stats yourself, Cazorla playing CM had better stats than Ozil playing as n10. Ok, Cazorla took penalties, but assists? There's no excuse for assists.

What I;m saying is - Sanchez would be much better than Ozil playing behind Giroud, they'd compliment each other well and Sanchez would score a lot of goals.

Your response to that is - Ozil has good KEY PASSES, and it's not his fault others aren't scoring.

I can't cope with that logic.